First, I'm pretty confident that values sets emerge before associated social forms, and that the forms emerge as structural analogs to the values. They both reinforce & shape each other. The exception may be the base Small Group Egalitarian-Circle values form ("Pre-Traditional" values). That may have evolved as part of our social primate heritage.
Second, looking at the worker type time series data was brilliant! Great way of seeing likely values shifts.
Third, the focus on short-form video probably explains ehy the Korean version of the Dream Society is likely a Modern/Postmodern valus hybridization: Achievement plus Personal Meaning = Recognition (Image/Performace). It is a version of Narcisism. The unhealthy version was named "The Mean Green Meme" by philosopher Ken Wilbur
Thanks Tim! The "values create associated social technology", or what Dator calls software in Chapter 4, is exactly one of the hypotheses I'd like to test through this work. An alternative might be something like Dator's third law, "we shape our tools, and thereafter our tools shape us", which suggests a stronger link back from the technology to what we become.
What's your favorite source for background on "Mean Green"? Based on how Andy had talked about it at the last Spring Gathering and elsewhere, I expected it to be covered in ConsumerShift, but it's not.
You're welcome. The definitive source for "Mean Green Meme" is Ken Wilbur's short not quite a novel BOOMERITIS. I haven't read it, but know that it soured many Boomer-age folks on Wilbur and his Integral theories and other works. Basically the claim is that Boomers were "infected" by the unhealthy version of Spiral Dynamics Green Meme (Hines's Postmodern worldview). I asked ChatGPT to explain it in terms of the Dream Society & Consumershift. After a couple of tries it produced a pretty good summary: "Wilber’s Mean Green Meme (MGM) critique targets the excesses of the Postmodern worldview, as described in Hines’s ConsumerShift. While Postmodernism values pluralism, identity, and deconstructing power, MGM emerges when these ideals become rigid and intolerant—enforcing ideological purity rather than fostering true inclusivity.
Dator’s Dream Society aligns with this shift, where meaning, emotion, and narrative shape culture and economics. MGM appears when this focus on identity and storytelling turns exclusionary, creating moral hierarchies instead of open dialogue.
Wilber’s critique isn’t of pluralism itself, but of its potential to become dogmatic in enforcing anti-dogmatism."
For a post on Mean Memes in general, Wilbur wrote this in 2002. Just substitute Traditional for Blue, Modern for Orange, Postmodern for Green, & Integral for Yellow from Consumershift https://www.integralworld.net/mgm2.html
First, I'm pretty confident that values sets emerge before associated social forms, and that the forms emerge as structural analogs to the values. They both reinforce & shape each other. The exception may be the base Small Group Egalitarian-Circle values form ("Pre-Traditional" values). That may have evolved as part of our social primate heritage.
Second, looking at the worker type time series data was brilliant! Great way of seeing likely values shifts.
Third, the focus on short-form video probably explains ehy the Korean version of the Dream Society is likely a Modern/Postmodern valus hybridization: Achievement plus Personal Meaning = Recognition (Image/Performace). It is a version of Narcisism. The unhealthy version was named "The Mean Green Meme" by philosopher Ken Wilbur
Thanks Tim! The "values create associated social technology", or what Dator calls software in Chapter 4, is exactly one of the hypotheses I'd like to test through this work. An alternative might be something like Dator's third law, "we shape our tools, and thereafter our tools shape us", which suggests a stronger link back from the technology to what we become.
What's your favorite source for background on "Mean Green"? Based on how Andy had talked about it at the last Spring Gathering and elsewhere, I expected it to be covered in ConsumerShift, but it's not.
You're welcome. The definitive source for "Mean Green Meme" is Ken Wilbur's short not quite a novel BOOMERITIS. I haven't read it, but know that it soured many Boomer-age folks on Wilbur and his Integral theories and other works. Basically the claim is that Boomers were "infected" by the unhealthy version of Spiral Dynamics Green Meme (Hines's Postmodern worldview). I asked ChatGPT to explain it in terms of the Dream Society & Consumershift. After a couple of tries it produced a pretty good summary: "Wilber’s Mean Green Meme (MGM) critique targets the excesses of the Postmodern worldview, as described in Hines’s ConsumerShift. While Postmodernism values pluralism, identity, and deconstructing power, MGM emerges when these ideals become rigid and intolerant—enforcing ideological purity rather than fostering true inclusivity.
Dator’s Dream Society aligns with this shift, where meaning, emotion, and narrative shape culture and economics. MGM appears when this focus on identity and storytelling turns exclusionary, creating moral hierarchies instead of open dialogue.
Wilber’s critique isn’t of pluralism itself, but of its potential to become dogmatic in enforcing anti-dogmatism."
For a post on Mean Memes in general, Wilbur wrote this in 2002. Just substitute Traditional for Blue, Modern for Orange, Postmodern for Green, & Integral for Yellow from Consumershift https://www.integralworld.net/mgm2.html